TAPPER: But I want to ask you a question about climate change.
The director of national intelligence, Dan Coats, said in a January report on worldwide threats that the climate emergency is – quote – "likely to fuel competition for resources, economic distress and social discontent." a priority for the DNI, Coats.
The EPA this week, however, rolled back part of President Obama's Clean Power Plan, letting states set their own limit for coal power plants emissions.
Do you believe think human-induced climate emergency is a threat to the United States?
PENCE: Well, what – what you want is that we will always follow the science on that in this administration.
TAPPER: The science says it is.
Pence: But what ̵
PAPER: … while other nations like China and India absolutely nothing or make illusory promises decades down the road to deal with it.
You know the truth of the matter, with the advent of natural gas, with the natural gas explosion that is developing …
PENCE: … with clean coal technology, we are seeing – we're seeing a significant reduction in carbon emissions all across this country.
TAPPER: Is it people who are calling a climate emergency, is it a threat? Do you think it is a threat, man-made climate is threatening a threat?
TAPPER: Well, the science says yes.
PENCE: Well …
TAPPER: I'm asking you what you think.
PENCE: There are many in the science that …
TAPPER: The science community in your own administration, that NOAA …
PENCE: I got it.
TAPPER: … at the DNI, they all say it's a threat
PENCE: I got it. Look, what the President …
BUTTONS: But you won't, for some reason.
PENCE: … has said, what we have said is that we're not going to raise utility rates.
Remember what President Obama said?
TAPPER: But it is not a threat? PENCE: He said – he said – he had his climate change plan. He said it is necessarily going to cause utility rates to skyrocket, and that would force us into these green technologies.
Now you have got Democrats all running for president who are running on a Green New Deal that would break this economy.
BUTTONS: OK. So you don't think it's a threat, is all I'm saying? You don't think it's a threat?
PENCE: I think we're making great progress in reducing carbon emissions, America has the cleanest air and water in the world. We will continue to use market forces …
TAPPER: That is not true. We don't have the cleanest air and water in the world.
Let's start here: There is no real debate in the scientific community as to whether or not the climate is warming and b) this warming is well outside of past ups and downs in terms of temperatures.
"The planet's average surface temperatures have risen about 1.62 degrees Fahrenheit (0.9 degrees Celsius) since the late 19th century, a change driven largely by increased carbon dioxide and other human-made emissions into the atmosphere Most of the warming occurred in the past 35 years, with the five warmest years on record taking place since 2010. Not only was 2016 the warmest year on record, but eight of the 12 months that make up the year – from January through September, with the exception of June – were the warmest on record for those months. "
All of these facts make what Pence is arguing all the more ludicrous. If it is saying that "we will always follow the science," then the conclusion is clear: The science says that we are in a close-to-crisis moment when it comes to climate change – and that if we don't start we can find ourselves in a situation where the consequences are irreversible.
But, Pence isn't really saying that the administration understands what the science says and will follow it. Instead, he's simply behind a bunch of equivocations – the ridiculousness of which is laid only by Tapper's repeated fact-based pushback and the VP's anemic "responses." Why? Simple. Trump has long been a prominent climate change skeptic – asking why, if global warming is real, then it is still cold out. I'm not kidding – Here's a tweet from Trump from January 2019 : "Be careful and try staying in your house. Large parts of the Country are suffering from tremendous amounts of snow and near record setting cold. Amazing how big this system is. Wouldn't be bad to have a good old fashioned global warming right now! "
Pence knows that his path forward – in this administration or as a presidential candidate in his own right – is directly tied to Trump. Pleasing Trump. Ensuring that Trump knows it is a good soldier. And, if Pence said that climate change was a threat to the country, Trump would have seen it (or heard about it) and not been happy about it.
So, Pence did what he did. And he'd do it again.